Anti-Neocons

PART II The Disinformation

I am so sick of having to explain away the utter nonsense that is attached to the truth about 911. Everything from Space aliens and reptilian fish people, to neo-Nazi groups have attached themselves to the 911 conspiracy. It is a classic tactic of deceivers to purposely leak disinformation which will mix truth with lies in order to discredit the truth. Don't fall for disinformation. And don't just follow every word someone says, people like Chomsky, Jones, Ruppert, Raimondo, Rivero and others are not always right, everyone makes goofs now and then. Help these people don't just parrot them.

The 911 movement is splintered and factionalized. Different camps passionately hold to their theories. (but a large piece is missing, a large body of evidence is being ignore) Let me give some credit where credit is due before I try to merge these theories based on the strongest information from different thinkers. I would like to merge the 911 theories and hopefully you guys will check this out yourselves and see how this accounts for the most inclusive picture. (constructive criticism welcome)

We have a lot of half truths floating around about the NWO. So I thought I would clear some things up. Most of you seem to know the facts that there is a video for, but the whole picture still has not been said. So for those of you who read, let me just drop a few facts on you and you can look it up yourself.

First off 911 was an inside job, bombs were in the towers, and most of you can recite the arguments for that in your sleep. Building number seven is the smoking gun on that one. The 911 commission did not even address it and the steel from the towers was quickly carted off by trucks and sold to China through Metal Managment Inc owned by the Zionist Jew Alan Ratner. Alex Jones has done a great job on covering that side of the 911 story. (The Building 7 side of the story but not the Israeli connection) This guy is a trail blazer, hell he predicted the 911 strike back in July 25th of 2001. He did not say when it would happen, but he said they would use Osama Bin Laden as a patsy and they would run air planes into the WTC. He was also the first to make a video documentary about 911.

Michael Rupert of From The Wilderness had the information about the put-options and economic anomalies posted as soon as September 12th one day after the event.

The question arises, “Who did it and when” was it just a faction of Neocons in our government? Or was their assistance from a foreign government? Whose interests did they have in mind? Sites like WRH and ICH have been the best in addressing this side of the story.

Let’s look at the History of PNAC and combine that knowledge with the recent trials of AIPAC the Niger Gate (the Libby trial) and the pulled Fox News Report of the Israeli spy ring and the infamous 5 dancing Israelis. One pioneer who has been all over this angle from the beginning and has had up to date information on the ensuing trial is this guy, Justin Raimondo of anti-war.com See the Israeli Art Students section.

Justin wrote a book Terror Enigma: 9/11 And the Israeli Connection that will tell you more than you want to know about it. It is a short book but well worth the buy.

I propose that 911 was an inside job carried out by Neocons moles in the US government who work for the interest a foreign government(Israel) or rather what that government serves which is the international bankers and the military industrial complex. And it is not in the interests of Israel or America. Israel is a cashcow for the MIC. 911 and the resulting wars were done in the interest of the Israeli Lobby which is backed by the age old method of profiteering by Christian fanatics and Straussian globalists. Israel is waist deep in 911 and Evagelism is waist deep in Israel. Ask yourself, if it was an inside job, then where did the anthrax letters come from after 911 if not from the same cabal that orchestrated it? And why did the letters read “DEATH TO AMERICA DEATH TO ISRAEL”? Was this an attempt to link America's enemies with Israel's? Israel was caugh in a false flag opperations before where they tried to blame Arab patsies. Check out the Lavon Affair.

When were the bombs put in the towers? Ask yourself that. Then who was caught working for a fake moving company (a front for the Mossad)in New Jersey after they were spotted dancing and taking pictures of themselves smiling with the backdrop of the burning towers? What same moving company was in the WTC towers when the power was cut off for days prior to 911? Oh yes the power to the WTC was cut off prior to 911 and the security cameras were down. (think Al Qaeda did that?)


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Did you know PNAC flowered from the Israeli Clean Break papers out of Tel Aviv? Why are the co-authors Zionists Jews who have histories of spying for Israel such as Richard Perle and Doug Feith? How come AIPAC can be caught spying on the US and there is NO mention of it in the media including Alex Jones ect (as far as I know). They have never even brought it up! It would ruin the theories that "Bush did it" from the films. And Bush did do it, but he was a puppet of his Zionist handlers because Bush is a Christian bigot.

DISIFO BY OMISSION (probably due to fear)

When Alex Jones was asked by Allen Colmes of Fox, Who did it and how did they get away with it in the media? Alex stumbled over himself saying well you have to look at who authored PNAC and then went on to list high profile figures who have spoken out pretty much avoiding the question. Maybe he was just excited to name the people he wanted to say in a rare short interview on the mainstream. Well, n a way Alex did answer the question, because it was planned by the authors of PNAC as was the Iraq war. But it is a deathnail to plainly state that PNAC came out of Israel and stems from Israeli policy papers and was pushed for by a crowd that is overwhelmingly disproportionately Jewish-Zionists some of whom have histories of spying for Israel or are currently caught up on charges (like Lewis Libby) for using the OSP to lie to push PNAC's stated goals. And of course the Mossad story, the spy ring, and Niger forgeries, are simply dropped from the picture. Jones knows who the real power is and to stay on the air he will not directly mention them.

This is huge. Can you imagine if any other government was caught spying on the US in a time of War? Imagine what would happen if Iran was caught doing the same thing.

Ever wonder how the bombs were put in the towers? Did you know the President's brother had a moving company in the towers and building 7 in the weeks prior to 911? Did you know that that moving company was Israeli (Urban Moving systems) and Israelis were caught on 911 taking pictures of themselves to the backdrop of the burning towers and laughing? They were arrested and the address for their moving company (yes the same one) turned up a front for the Mossad, it was an abandoned warehouse in New Jersey. (They were released by the FBI when Ashcroft put a lid on it, and they went back to Israel). Their van had traced of explosives in it, box cutters, thousands in cash, and hilighted maps of New York. When tested they failed polyagraph tests which are 98% accurate. WRH has been on the frontlines with this story.

It was clearly a Mossad opperation.
source Go and read all of it.


Look 911 was not carried out by Devil Worshipers or the Queen of England. 911 was the work of the Israeli Mossad and its Neocon moles in the US government. The back bone of Zionism is organized religion, it is fanatical Jews and Christians. More money goes to fund the Israeli occupation from Evangelical Christian churches than from the government even. (One church (Presbyterians) actually divested more money from Israel than what our government gives them in two years worth of foreign aid.) If we could only get other churches to follow...

I know people will say that Pat Robertson is not a *real* Christian. News flash Yes he is. Is he a BAD Christian? Absolutely! But to say he does not hold the minimal believes in a savior, a god, the creation story, and all that other biblical mess is not true, because he and his millions of brain-dead followers DO believe in all that crap. In fact it is one of the main motivations help Zionism because they think they must create conditions to fulfill Biblical prophecies. (making Jerusalem Jewish being one of those.)

Now if you just want to say that they do not follow some of the teachings of Christ then you are absolutely right. But then again basically no one does. Face it, All of Bush's support comes from the 30 or so percent of the country that are Christian fanatics. Religion breeds authoritarianism. What would Israel do without the tens of billions it receives from Christian churches? It would fall apart. I am not saying that Christianity is to blame for what these evil idiots do. I am saying that a Religion is not intrinsically good or bad. Religion is more like a car, and the behavior of the car depends on the driver. It seems like Moderate Christians are psychologically unable to face up to the fact that their own religion is being used to stuff the war-mongers pockets and finance aggression all over the world [as it has since its invention]. So they invent groups like a secretly atheist illuminati and even alien invasion etc, anything, to create a blame shift.

It was the Zionists. Here is the other thing Alex NEVER talks about, Israel being involved. And they were the ones who fricking did it. look here.


STRAWMAN DISINFO

I think the likes of those like Jeff Rense (a radio host who admits 911 was an inside job and has quite a following) is possibly a Real Patriot (or possibly a disinfo agent) but certainly not a critical thinker when it comes to ghosts and space aliens. That stuff HURTS the credibility. It is goofier than Zodiac signs. The site is still OK and you can pick out the real information from the entertainment (aka making money) stuff.

I am not saying that secret societies do not exist or that non-secret organizations (like the CIA) don’t carry out secret actions for the government. They do happen, and they have been around for a long time. Ranging from the Black Hand, to the America’s Know Nothings nations have always had groups of secrecy and privilege. The Bilderbergs is a great example.

One can not say that conspiracies simply don’t exist or can not happen. Hell the `19 hijackers theory` (where the BBC reports that some of the same hijackers turned up alive) of 911 is a conspiracy theory, so one is forced to believe in one conspiracy theory or another. People will ask how could something so big be kept a secret? How could the press not uncover it? Conspiracies happen all the time,. I'll give you a recent example. Just look the Iran Contra affair was a secret government and CIA operation that included thousands of people, involved multiple countries, and used up billions of dollars. This conspiracy happened in your life time (unless you are under 15). This scandal involved some of the very same neocons that are in office today. Familiar readers of anti-neocons are aware of the Libby/Rich/Clinton connections. (listen to it on the radio)


Guilt by association
Don't attach 911 to falsehoods like we never landed on the moon. First of all if any of you are so stupid as to think we were never on the moon then just don't even bother reading the rest of this. The 911 evidence stands on its own, attaching it to silly things, just hurts the credibility and supports the tinfoil hat conclusions.


MORE DISINFO

Thanks in large part to a music video called Pentagon Strike, We now have a `no plane hit the pentagon` crowd. Plently of people saw a plane fly towards the building and no one saw one leave. Look if a plane did hit the pentagon and they show that then it will debunk the entire 911 story. Did you ever think the FBI might have taken the tapes away in order to create such a story? Here are some arguments against the no plane theory. I have to agree. But this is a mute point. Let’s stick with the more damning evidence and that is the WTC 1,2, and 7 attacks/detonations.
911 is undeniably tied to the war in Iraq. It is obvious to any thinking person how the 911 tragedy was used to justify by deception the war in Iraq. We know that the WMDs claims were lies not just mistaken intelligence. Now the question arises, who lied? Who set up and makes up the OSP? All roads lead to Israel.


MORE DISINFO

But this brings me to the disinformation wave. A couple of stinkers have come up. One is the Bohemian Grove tie in, which has been attributed to worshipers of Moloch and the Christian Devil. Did you ever think about the Grove connections worshipping Moloch could be related to the Bavli Talmud: the Jewish text from Babylon? It's not the devil they follow it’s the Bavli Talmud; these people are Hardcore Zionists. (Guess who else was a Mizrahi Jew?...Mayer Amschel Rothschild) That is why they enjoy billions of dollars from Christian fanatics like Pat Robertson. This argument takes some time so go here if you need that to be cleared up. Is there a Satanic (or atheist) illuminati? NOPE It is the very opposite, the illuminati (as you guys think of it, the term is being used incorrectly) is the Zionist, not a German death cult. It is just a bunch of greedy, but god fearing, Christians and Jews at the Grove. Simply put, a religion is not what makes people good or bad; people are what make a religion good or bad.

Half Truth disinfo
MORE DISINFO BY OMISSION

We have the Chomsky ‘this war is all for oil crowd’. And also Rupert's Peak Oil crowd. Oil was A reason for the wars but not THE reason. Chomsky and the like are very good at pointing out the big oil interests of the Iraq war and the petro-dollar interests with Iran. We get two camps, the ‘it’s about oil' and the ‘it’s about Israel’s safety’ crowd. Look, the corporatists and the Zionists overlap. The thing is, THIS war party is so clearly made up of Zionists. But no one seems to catch the overlapping interests of the corporations (namely the largest one the MIC) and the Zionists.

As I pointed out on KUCI they don't give a damn about Jews or any of that, nor does the Lobby. They just care about money, but what safe guards them from criticism IS the religious angle. Corporations could not get away with it if they didn't have their all powerful anti-Semitism shield of protection around them and they would not have the hundreds of billions of dollars in extra backing from Christian religious factions without the religion/race card played by the Zionists. So it is multi-layered. The fact that Zionists wrote, planned for the war in Iraq as far back as 1992, and then actively played a part in spewing the pre-invasion disinformation makes it rather obvious to me who is in the front seat and who is cheering from the back seat between the Zionist and the energy companies.

If you want to know how the Libby/Niger-gate tie into the warmonger’s plans for Iran then listen to my radio interview. 911 and the resulting wars were planned in PNAC. I have gone through each Zionist player in the administration at one point or another on this board on on the radio, and tied their actions back to Israel.

Just ask yourself this question, what do Richard Perle, Lewis Libby, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, David Frum, David Wurmser, Irving Kristol, Bill Kristol, Steven Rosen, and Keith Weissman, all have in common?

It is a war for Israel primarily and a war for profit, as is any war, secondarily. I wrote in my book how they all connect, the MIC, the Evangelical churches, the lobby, and the Zionists neocons who make up the OSP and wrote PNAC. That is why I wrote Welcome to the USSA, to explain how no-bid contract work in communism and how we create state assisted monopolies through everything from agribusiness subsidies to earmarked foreign aid.

If we are to keep moving forward then we need to be aware of disinformation. It is my opinion, and I know I will get accused of in-fighting, but it is my opinion that we should drop the extreme end of the spectrum, the alien believers-who must admit that pragmatically, even if they sincerely believe in all that junk, they know that tactically it does not help us one bit. No one is ready to believe in reptilian fish people. So shut up you guys. Please do the rest of us a favor and just talk amongst yourselves.

People don’t let these shanky hands, Nostradamus-type, fold up the twenty dollar bill and look at the towers, retards pollute our real efforts of journalism and research into 911. Please stop saying it was the illuminati (a vague term) if you don’t really know anything about the illuminati other than a 5 minute history and you can’t immediately back up your claims with convincing arguments. (It is not a secret who did this, PNAC spells it out and shows it off.) I care about this country and the people we exploit, oppress, and kill. I want it to stop. Damn it! I really deeply need it to stop. The Occupation of Iraq and Palestine and Afghanistan have to end. We have killed hundred of thousands of innocent people. We are torturing people. The real people who demonstratively wrote, planned, signed, lied, and carried out this war are ZIONISTS NEOCONS. (Just for the record the Brits need to get out of Ireland). Don' blame it on a mysterious group of people when we already have the names and the physical evidence of who did this.

We seem to have about half a story floating around about 911. The Israeli connections have to made or refuted. I have not heard of any valid refutations. The anti-Semite card is all I have ever hear as an attempted rebuttal. The reply I usually get is, "wow god damn I didn’t know about that, how interesting." I know you guys are smart, look into it yourselves.

We have to band together to stop the NWO but you need to know who is really behind the wizard’s curtain. NO MORE WAR FOR ISRAEL!


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Well done Ryan! This has got to be one of the most important pieces I have read in ages, due to it's succinctness and strsightforwardness. The evidence is there! People just have to acknowledge it. Continue the great work bro,
MZ

excellent bro... great compilation. i wish i had the time right now to sit down and bust out something like this, but i really just dont, so thank you so much for taking the time to do it. i took the liberty of putting this up on my blog (with madd props of course). keep up the effort...

.stay true.
•o.O.dayve.O.o•

Rather strange and ironic of how scary the truth can be. And they always say how Ignorance is bliss. I can see now why, seeing if you are not afraid of anything, then you're living in a bubble. You're showing them that you can care about more or less pop culture then our own populus, you're seeming to be more selfish then then that. It's funny how I'm not the one draping myself in the flag saying I will protect and and give me your rights. It sounds overtly too scary and Machivellian to really believe that our rights are being protected when we're asked to give them up. Rather it's the naive nature believe a whole load of crock. This isn't for me or you, it's for everybody..

______ Bless America.

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This is definatly my home away from home.

"These are the times that try men's souls." Thomas Paine

I have been researching Bao Steel of Shanghai where 70k tons of the steel went from NYC. I have been finding some interesting things. I'll report it later.

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I remember 911 very well as I was in pub with a friend who had just got out of prison and we were celebrating his release.
The football was on quite a large screen in the pub but then suddenly there was a skyscraper smoldering away with a jumbo jet poking into it.

Now this might offend some of you but there was quite a LOT of joviality in that pub and no one was pissed off about the football being switched off.

Ordinary British people watched people jumping out of windows to their doom and far from being horrified seemed more excited and amazed than anything. I don't know if that was entirely down to people thinking that it was cool to see America get it at last or just the spectacularness of the event but I suspect the former to be honest.
I certainly wasn't laughing but some were, mind you your average footie crowd would laugh at pretty much anything.

I think the accounts of these israelis laughing and joking prejudice people in favour of believing the mossad theory, but the fact is loads of people world wide would have been doing the same thing. America just doesn't realise how anti america everywhere else is.

And if they really had just accomplished such a mission they would, as trained agents of Mossad be pretty unlikely to make a big show of themselves. I hardly think they would be so dumb as to be filming it and jumping about in plain view of the public.
It all ties up as a theory very nicely, but it is circumstantial evidence and will never be proven in a million years.

great work

I'm going to post this in another forum w/ your permission

can i?

Is the "truth" in you? Is the appreciation for "freedom" there? Of course as it is a byproduct of truth. We can know truth want to reach true freedom but none of this is going to get the powerful surge it needs without "love". Love of love, Love of the truth, love of freedom. Those of us who know the value of love have no need save basics, for money.

The persons who would do what they have done have rejected truth therefore are living in a false understanding of freedom. This is to be expected of those who are not motivated by love, but by greed.

Robertson is not practicing love, truth and certainly is not in line with one who believes in freedom. He is in my definition an "anti-Christ". Whereas I see much love and truth in you, Ry. In fact, from what I can gather from your interests and writings, you love truth. Without a place to learn it or to share it you would be in hell.

In my eyes, Robertson and the many like him are not "Christian" but you and many, many others of all religions or lack there of are true Christians. Labels are worthless, Jesus was not a Christian, he was a person who went to his death for practicing truth, freedom and love.

He was also the son of God. Wow what a claim, but he knew, I know as do you that we are all God's creations. Whether intelligently designed or whether we started off as a microscopic living organism there will always be the life that was behind that living organism's ability to manifest.

Keep up the the pursuit of truth, as will I. Love will be our salvation.

Peace,
Candi

"I am the truth the light the way" Jesus/Truth "will thwart the wisdom of the wise and come at an hour they are not expecting". I do believe we are in the thwarting stage. They will lose because "the good always wins over da bad" - Popeye (the movie) lol

You didn't get it. It wasn't that they were laughing it's that they worked for the Mossad and a moving company that fled the country and they were connected to a spy ring where over 60 Israelis were arrested some of them who lived across the street from the so called hijackers. Then We have PNAC being based on ISRAELI policy papers and it was Zionist Jews in the OSP who lied us into Iraq and who ousted the CIA agent PLame AND who were caught spying AGIAN through AIPAC to be able to lie us into war AGAIN with Iran.

Strawman how could you pick out the fact that they were laughing and focus on that and drop the rest of the evidence?

I encourage you please look at the links I provided. I didn't take the time to source and write them for my health. Poeple cheer car wrecks in racing I know what you are saying but it does not refute the arguments I made whatsoever. And it is pretty sick that Those guys laughed no one her elaughed when London's tubes were bombed. Allthough I for one predicted it, which lead to my group being deleted from myspace and the AOL site being erased.

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I'm Floored, Most People dont Cut the Crapped out of the Real truth, as If they don't know about Disinformation, Misinformation and Diversions. I will not get involved in Distractions, there is no time for it, I appreciate you Insight and Clarity, It is mY will to get More InVolved to heLp Fight against the BackgroUnd noIse beIng Raised to Drown out the ReaL Sound of Truth that Is in the Very Essense of Our Research!

Actually I am an Athiest. I think God is Santa Claws for Adults.
But I do agree with loving however it's an innate human characteristic not something you have to be taugt from a fictional figure in a book.

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You have some great writing skills .
I commend you on a job well done.

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Now, that's not true Ry. I mean, I love you, but, until I start reading the Bible, I won't be able to "love" you in private, nahmean, nahmean, yeahhhhh babaaaaay, you know what I mean.

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Albert Einstein once said, "If 50 million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing". So remember, before you open your mouth, you may very well be just another idiot with 49,999,999 people standing behind you that are just slightly dumber than you.

There's lots of statistics and data for stuff. I reject 100% of it, 99.9% of the time. Add that to your statistics, asswipes!

Intellectualism can be funny sometimes because, when being used as a defense mechanism, they THOROUGHLY demonstrate to you that they are an idiot, versus, just giving you a hint, like the regular idiot.

What I think is ridiculous about the entire thing, is the notion that there is ever going to be a conviction, that there is ever going to be justice, that planes and cars wouldn't blow up in the event that court proceedings were on the horizon, that the people who planted the bombs aren't already dead, having been assassinated to ensure they cannot incriminate anyone up the chain of command, that subscribing to this strict orthodoxy that zionist Israelis organized it is going to get us anywhere.

Initially, I found it apalling that Alex Jones doesn't discuss the zionist connection, though I can understand why he doesn't now and it became all the more clear when I heard Bradford address the evidence implicating Israel on his new network. We still live in a semi-transparent society here in America. It's one thing to address the Israeli movers, which nothing will ever come of since our own government let them off the hook but it's something entirely different to start addressing which Zionists Silverstein and other shady Americans are friends with. It reeks of having an agenda and appears as condemnation on the basis of association when there just isn't a whole hell of alot of hard evidence, especially that which we can follow up on.

It would be difficult enough to follow up on anything with the checks and balances in our own government, much less the Israeli government, getting called anti-Semitic all the way and possibly jeopardizing the influence we have to convince others that 9/11 was in fact not an operation by 19 muslim hijackers working at the behest of a man in a cave on a dialysis machine. At the end of the day, what matters isn't who did it but who DIDN'T DO IT.

Alex Jones takes a strategic approach which is based on the idea that we cannot chop the head off the zionist machine like Christian Bale so courageous did in the film "Equilibrium". That would be justice. Even if we could accomplish the impossible, there will be new parties to fool us after the honeymoon period of our short-lived, fake revolution. We're not going to get justice from the system itself becuse suicide is not in the system's program.

What we need is a renaissance, not a fake revolution and what we need more than a conviction of who did it in the minds of Americans, is the simple understanding that we got taken for a ride, that we need to stop advancing in the direction we've been lead into going. At the end of the day, we don't serve the Israelis. We serve our own corrupt bureaucrats and they serve the Israelis. We're where the rubber meets the road. The machine would cease to exist if we refused to operate it.

Though it may be rightous to speak the unbridled truth, I can understand one seeing the danger in swinging to no avail at the top of the totem pole. The Zionists don't even need to label us anti-semitic because our own countrymen have been socially conditioned to think we are simply by accusing the Israeli government of such crimes. That doesn't however mean I'm going to say that you're making a mistake in doing so.

The bottom line is, we don't know who the money men were. We don't know whether money or favors were traded in the private sector between the Zionists and other entities. We don't know that like a Russian doll, the Israelis aren't working for someone else. That doesn't however mean that by telling those lies of omission - which is essentially what they would be, just not conscious lies - that we're not telling people the truth. We're never going to know the entire truth. We're telling people bits and pieces of it. We're giving them bullet points, reasons to be skeptical, inspiration to think for themselves, possibly for the first time in their lives.

That's what I see Alex Jones do. I see him passionately fight to tear people from the clutches of the machine with such intensity and fervor, that it has to be genuine. He's moved so many others to fight the system as well, to exclude themselves from it and be as independent of it as they can, to starve it of our power while empowering ourselves through self-sufficiency, that if he's consciously working to aid it, he'd better redirect his operation.

I'm not going to play these games calling other people shills but what I personally believe, is that it's just as arguable that Bradford is aiding the Zionist agenda through his obsession to document every asinine detail of Israeli involvement as Alex Jones is in his paranoid evasion of even mentioning them, which I have heard him do from time to time without provocation, even the Israeli movers.

So while some people want to play Russian Roulette, the spoils of which are a short lived pseudo-revolution, I'll hedge my bets and try to convince others they've been lied to and that they need to learn their own truth, which is ever-evolving.

Zionism is not the root of the problem. It's the branches. We're the roots. We're the wheels on the tank. We have to be diverted, not them.

-Renaissance Ninja

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Zionism is very much the root of the problem. They wrote PNAC they lied us into war and they put the bombs in the towers. They wrote the Anthrax letter. They get more money from churches than anyone else. They own the media the banks and get more foriegn aid from the US than any other country. They are THE largest cashcow for the military indusrtrial complex. They go all the way back to Rothschild. They have an illegal military occupation over Palestine. They have been caught spying on the US again. They were the OSP. They lied about the Niger ywllow cake. They are the only country on earth where torture is legal. They invented the root of the worlds two largest religions plus Judaism as well. Look no further the roaches are in the light, its the ZIONISTS.

They are the head eveyone elese is the branches.
I don't even know who Bradford is.

I like ALex Jones but I think with his Christian goggles on he can not accept what is really going on so their is a blame shift to everything from A Germanic Death Cult to the Queen of England. The people did this got it more money from non-secret christian evangelicals than from anywhere else including uncle Sam.

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As per Ry's request: This is a note I wrote to him in response to the bulletin he posted on My Space for this thread, and I was asked to share:


Thanks so much!
I'm a bit new to this whole thing...I have followed some of your work here and there, but I'm just now seeing it all for what it is. My slow realization is due in part to the fact that I couldn't even bare to even watch the news before 9-11; but now I have a healthy obsession of politics & news, and I'm actually writing for an online women's magazine - mainly on news & politics.

Where I could no sooner touch your depth of understanding than try to explain it (YET), I find you an incredible resource and the more I read you the more it makes perfect sense. Your "theory" is the only single idea that makes sense in the whole picture, explaining in some way EVERY aspect of the poisonous actions of this administration. If I'm ever missing a piece in my head, I am now finding it on your site. Bless you for what you do!

Thanks to the info within this bulletin I'm finally ready to introduce the Israeli aspect to my audience - I think the Fox deleted episodes will be key in bringing the point across. Of course I link where credit is due! I'd also agree wholeheartedly your statement about being critical of this movement being anti-semite = to criticism of the US being anti-American - it's completely ridiculous, and well said (better said by you, but I'm sure you know what I'm referring to.)

On another note, I heard a radio clip of you months ago (I think it was linked from you page here), and I'm wondering why you don't do more radio. You are so incredibly articulate, explain incredibly well, and relaxed when you speak - it is a gift you should not forsake!!! I am actually a talk-show junkie to be quite frank and I was curious as to if you have heard of and what you think of Randi Rhodes. Granted, she doesn't address the neo-con aspect, but I think she mainly plays it somewhat safe to keep the general publics interest and train of thought. This is something that I have to say I'm guilty of somewhat myself; I try to refer to only that which I can prove somehow. I consider us (me on a much smaller level of course) more a voice to inform the general public, to whom have a very rudimentary understanding if any at all of the corruption that is within our administration itself. Not that you haven't proven yourself, but I think this is an aspect of the things you were referring to in this posting.

In the first few sentences you mention that not all the people that had some things right about 9-11 are right all the time. There is certainly a conspiracy factor that muddies the soup of corruption even further. I am personally convinced that the reason why they get away with so much is that it is in nature, so UNBELIEVABLE. It's too much for the average people to wrap their brain around, hell I have a hard time too! I think it's, in a way, against human nature to believe people could be so evil - and therefore easier to believe it just conspiracy. I also just saw a theater version of "1984" and your statement about forming a conspiracy being the oldest tactic to confuse matters further rang a rather LOUD bell.

I'm a "fan" of Ruppert, and seen some of Jones' work but have always thought he was a bit "off" for some reason. Although, I was raised to take what makes sense and leave the rest behind. So I think that Ruppert is brilliant and in many finer aspects incredibly insightful, but that there are some things missing in his entire picture. I suspect that people are so desperate for truth that when they see a drop they praise the well. Let's just say that you are the first well I might consider worship of...

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Here is the quote of Ry's I was referring to that I think is incredibly apt:
It is no more anti-semitic to speak out against the Israeli government than it would be anti-american to speak out against the American government. The charge of anti-semitism is a desperate defense for the Zionist warmongers.

It is the same argument from this administration over and over: if the criminal is black, then you're a racist for calling them a criminal; if the criminal is Jewish you're an anti-semite. This is not only shallow and depraved, but a desperate defense indeed.

There should be no room for intolerance of any race or religion in the US. It's illegal for a good reason, and to take sides (even through accusation) should be an outrage to all! It's the measuring, or disrespect by classification in "value" that is the very reason for the problem at hand.

I'm personally mystified as to when it became so acceptable to work diplomacy by utilizing religious anything in the US. Our founding fathers understood all too well that in order for anybody to have their faith in tact (or the right to the lack thereof), nobody has a right to make law based on religious ideals - not any of them.

There will never be diplomacy unless there is respect. I'm in half-accord with R. Ninja in that we must start inside the US before having much of a chance on a grander scale of stopping anything. Removing them here WILL disable them there, to a large degree anyway.

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Everything you said is true. I'm not refuting any of it. Still, what do you expect? Do you expect to get the Zionists who orchestrated 9/11 prosecuted and thrown in prison?

JFK was killed, as were about a hundred people connected to him. We've got a photo of George Herbert Walker Bush standing outside the Dallas book depository that day, a memo from J Edgar Hoover asking CIA Director Alan Dulles where "agent George Bush" was when Kennedy was shot, the current White House press secretary's father alleging Lyndon Johnson was involved.

In a federal operation like the Kennedy assassination or 9/11, there are likely dozens of simultaneous operations being executed as decoys so as to muddy the water and misdirect you should you catch them in the act or begin piecing the evidence together later, probably even agents in the press writing false stories that appear to actually incriminate the government. So what if people jump on it and convince others it was an inside job? They can't prosecute with information that is going to lead nowhere and the majority of the general public is still going to be wilfully ignorant until they see intelligence ops planting explosives on video or federal officials admitting to it on audio tape.

Why do you think they still have the PNAC papers published on their website? Why do you think they ever published them in the first place? It's not because they're arrogant. It's because they want the public to see them and cite them. It's because they want their enemies to see them and behave in a manner that is interpreted on the world stage as offensive, when they're actually just preparing to defend themselves, realizing the empire does not want diplomacy.

Why would you publicly display your own motive? Because it's what the general public is led to believe the real perpetraitors would not do. It's brilliant. It gets us going around citing their own cryptic admissions of guilt when most of the public is not sophisticated enough to understand it, not because they're not capable but because they're not as obsessed with getting to the bottom of it, thinking about it so much as we are. They chalk it up to coincidence and treat us like wild-eyed conspiracy theorists.

The only chance we have of prosecuting anybody for 9/11, is if we got too close and they decide to burn a few sacrificial lambs, probably suiciding a few key people who could incriminate others up the chain of command and they would still have their arguement that radical Muslims flew planes into buildings, that their black-ops only helped it along. Their war for empire would still have some legitimacy in the eyes of the public.

Do you think there is honor among thieves and killers and that those who did the heavy lifiting (planting explosives, global hawk remote software) could not have been killed immediately upon execution of their compartmentalized tasks so as to ensure they can never gossip or plea bargain? The people who planted the explosives were likely already assassins who had several bodies under their belts. After all, you don't just approach your average school boy and proposition him to kill thousands of people.

Even in the miraculous event that people in the highest circles were charged, do you think they wouldn't organize another black-op to blow up the grand jury and declare martial law, regardless of how obvious it would look? And the jingos would still enforce it because there would still be enough wilfully ignornant people to worship them and lavish them with praise, still enough sense of purpose drilled into their heads from their bosses and the public. Going to that extreme would be their last ditch effort. In the very least, you would begin to see the witnesses get picked off one by one, leaving nobody to incriminate them.

Do you believe the Zionists wrote the Protocols of Zion? If so, do you think they don't absolutely love that in light of the Jews' persecution by the nazis, that we run around citing the protocols, saying these people who Americans, especially conservative Americans have been conditioned to think are the God race and can do no wrong, are behind this conspiracy?

Daryl Bradford Smith was that tool from GCN who called Jones a disinfo agent for not subscribing to his strict orthodoxy that we have to run around telling people Silverstein and other corrupt bureaucrats eat lunch with Zionists, effectively playing a much more difficult and dangerous game that at best will lead us to the same conclusion as any other means of approaching the 9/11 issue that convinces people it was not orhestrated by the parties our government told us. That conclusion would be our revocation of rulership by the system and exercise of it over ourselves (self-soverignty), starving them of their ability to harm us or others.

When I say the Zionists aren't the root of the problem, I mean that the problem is actually our servitude of them, humanity's servitude of the system which could not operate without our cooperation. There would be no greater justice for humanity and no greater punishment for them, than for us to just stop serving them collectively and watch them atrophy into nothing. They live for power.

I contend that we need to stop having these pipe dreams that we're going to prosecute someone over this through the system which not only the Zionists own but which corrupt people designed and built to serve the elite in the first place, not to police the hierarchy. They have processes and privelages, loopholes which ensure their agenda moves forward.

I believe that instead of having a revolution, which if it wasn't co-opted by shills or short-lived because a new breed of (nazis, zionists, ____) decided to assume the throne, we need to reengineer the very manner in which the public thinks through our own example. We need to challenge everything we think we know about how things work, not just take the social norms as a given.

I don't know about you but I never heard of false-flag terrorism until about a year after 9/11. It never occured to me that they would have an advantage by even letting it happen. It takes a long time for all of this to sink in for newbies. I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt for months. I kept trying to find evidence that suggested they didn't let it happen and I thought the idea that they actually engineered the entire thing was absurd.

I find myself taking people who ask "why would they do something like that?" from A to Z in such a short period of time, that they only get more defensive (adamant about the official story) or the truth is too crazy (opposite of what they believe to be true) for them to entertain, and then you lose them forever.

So the questions are..

What is the goal of 9/11 Truth?

(A) to convict people through the system and have a revolution

(B) to convict people in the minds of the people and have a renaissance

And if the goal is a paradigm shift, are we..

(A) lying by our omissions?

(B) losing hearts and minds by giving people too much information, too fast?

If you think Alex Jones worships Jews and cannot come to terms with the Zionist orhestration of it, you're sadly mistaken. I believe that through his years of research, he's come to the conclusion that we can't get justice from an unjust system and that any details beyond proving the official story false in the minds of the people, are unnecessary since we're not going to get a courtroom conviction. We're trying to convince the people to withdrawl the power they give the system, not the systems ability to operate, which it will always find a way to do just as they found ways around our Constitution not by revoking it but by essentially adding post it notes (Patriot Act) to it.

It's our own constant vigilance, especially of the mind, that ensures our ability to live free and pursue hapiness.

I've heard you say before that religion itself is not bad so you acknowledge that they're tools that can be used either way. Those at the top of the establishment food chain understand very well that there are esoteric and exoteric interpretations of the Abrhamic faiths. The Jews and the Christians running the US and Israel are not hypocritical Jews or Christians in any sense and they're certainly not good Jews or Christians in the esoteric sense that the general population of goyim or profane know them as.

There is a common ideology between the fraternal orders, the estoteric understanding of the Abrhamic faiths, and many other belief systems embraced even by aethiests, which are not based on the worship of any God as they are known in the physical or exoteric sense but as operating systems for the mind. I do believe they were engineered to look appealing to different types, to corral people into their control mechanisms.

I do believe there is a larger conspiracy than Zionism (as we know it). Perhaps they are the dominant force in it. I just don't think they're believers so much as they're wielders. They see themselves as above the system, the capstone so to speak and I do believe they have an agenda that is incredibly evil for lack of a better word and is much bigger than the land of Israel.

We joke about how the establishment is warping our language to indoctrinate us with ideas or limit our understanding of a subject but the truth is, the very words we've been given do not accurately portray what it is they believe in and what they are after. Fraud is the keyword.

While I don't think these people are drinking blood from skulls and chanting magic spells, I do think there is something much bigger to the symbology and numerology that we see the common denominators of everywhere and I think that something much more logical than mysticism is the motive.

Shortly after the 7/7 bombings, I noticed patterns in the execution of these events and was able to predict the dates of 4 such attacks since then. The numerological signature on military operations by the Pentagon and terrorist attacks that are alleged to by by Al Qaida, are the same.

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The difference between JFK and other government ops is this THE INTERNET. NO longer do they hold a Complete monopoly over information. Look at how much everyone knows from just like 6 devoted guys. If not for the web Gulf War II would have looked very much like Gulf War I. The public would have supported it, hook line and sinker.

It is because fo this that I think this time things will be different. Call me optomistic.

You got that right and the disinfo there would be the mafia and the Cubans.

The CIA killed JFK and RFK and MLK.



I think they have them up because they really believe in it. They really believe in might makes right so they dont see anything wrong with it.



Put that way I agree and I think what causes the servitude is Religion. Everyone knows Jewish history from the Bible but very few no jack about the origins of their own people.

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Here here! THis is the best I've seen come from the tireless hero known as Ry. YOU are a stud my friend. GREAT work. Do you mind if we spread this around???

It seems as though You cant have a Nazi with out first having a Zionazi creating them. That was in 1933

forward 70 years later you cant have a Republifascist with out first having a Neo-Com. It seems you cant have one with out the other. Its like the chicken and the egg...

The goyim-Fascists are made by the Sabbatean ZIONISTS. Then when things look like they are going down, the sabbateans leave the goyim fascists hanging. BUSHit is going down. Libby(NEOCOM) just gave the tool up last week. These F-ers lose NO sleep over their machiavellian ways. You think the dumb dumbs would learn by now.
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Kerrysucks:
Right on.
Of course both Kerry & Bush are cousins, & Skull & Bones - Nazi fascist
Illuminati cult ?
According to Alex Jones. I agree.

Rense is an idiot ? He may have disinformation in your opinions. Though
I don't agree 100% with all his stuff. He has a lot of good material.
I.E.
http://www.rense.com/general52/msg.htm

Why would you call someone who is anti- NWO & an alley an idiot anyway?
& how do you know ? Have you met the man in person ?
Also, I listened to your radio interviews on myspace Ry, & I really enjoyed them, & I also like what you've said here. It is Solid.
I'll keep the ufo's conspiracy - lizzie & grey stuff under my hat dude
But I will add, that you mentioned AOL deleted your site in the past ? Hmm..
Could it be, because it is fact that AOL is another Co. run & controled by the , **cough** Illumnianti **cough**
Right on - lol
Here's a perdiction ( premanition ) from me;
California will be under water soon & L.A. whiped out by a tital wave. Millions die. some 4.5 million in LA alone. Reality can sure bite hm ?
ttyl message me bro.
[ beware the cult ]
Keep up the good work & with drug awareness.
You are an inspiration.
Take care & God bless you.

Thomas



"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary." George Orwell

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Nice.

Rense has good intentions maybe but his poor judgments on ghosts and aleins... It discredits the rest of the stuff. Most on the good things on his site are by other writers like Charley Resse of anti-war.com and others which they plainly just swipe.

I have been on Rense too and I have been on Rivero's Whatreallyhappened.com as well. I should probably write to Alex Jones at some point. But it is the aleins stuff that turns away many smart people.

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